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The cheating game

“Nothing resembles an honest man more than a cheat.”

French Proverb

“Men cheat for the same reason that dogs lick their ball…because they can.”

Kim Caterall (Change the first word to Insurance companies)

“As you grow older you’ll see white men cheat black men every day of your life, but let me tell you something and don’t you forget it – whenever a white man does that to a black man, no matter who he is, how rich he is, or how fine a family he comes from, he is trash.”

Harper Lee ( change white man to insurance company and black man to customer)

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As many of my readers will know I have had a bad year with insurance companies. This post illustrates my point. In it I shared with you that my dad could not claim for cancelling his holiday in Lourdes in July, even though he was dying of cancer.

Of course, as we all know, he has now passed away as a result of this and consequently the family and I had to return from holiday after four days in Portugal because his condition had dramatically worsened after we left the country.

We went on holiday on the advice of three different consultants. Each assured us that they did not believe Dad’s condition would worsen in the following fortnight; but sure enough it did.

So, I would like to point out to anyone who reads this that they should be very wary of taking out holiday insurance with Mondial UK because what they do is, to all intents and purposes, cheat you of your money.

Some time after our return and my Dad’s death I filled in the claim form that we requested from Mondial UK, complete with a letter from the consultant stating that she believed it had been safe for us to travel.

Having received this they said this wasn’t good enough; they needed his GP’s report.

Why?

Did his GP have a better insight into his illness than the person that was treating him?

Really, I mean seriously, how could he? What is the point of this?

I’ll tell you the point.

It is more likely that the GP will play it safe and say we shouldn’t have gone, because he was remote from the case. He wasn’t MORE authoritative, he was LESS authoritative and that means he is more likely to err on the side of caution in case the insurance company come back on him. (Oh yes, and GP’s get nice wee earners from insurance companies to fill in forms saying the family were mad to go away, by the way. Believe me. I know.)

Anyway, we went ahead and got this. Bear in mind that we had to pay the GP a fee for this which was totally unnecessary because as it transpires they were always going to invoke the “you knew he was ill so you weren’t covered” clause.

Nevertheless his GP confirmed that it was appropriate for us to travel. At that point and that point only, bearing in mind that they had sufficient evidence BEFORE we paid for the GP’s report, they knocked our claim back totally because they said we knew he was ill before we travelled

OF COURSE WE BLOODY KNEW.

And so did they when we submitted the first claim, because we BLOODY TOLD THEM.

Why then, did they ask us to spend money getting another piece of evidence that said we were right to go on holiday, only to invoke a clause that made it quite clear that we would NEVER get the money back.

Why? I’ll tell you why.

Because they are cheats.

If they were playing the game fairly they would (at worst) have told us that we were on a hiding to nothing when we filled the claim in.

The only conclusion I can draw therefore is that they have no morals.

They have no decency.

They have no respect.

They have no sense of duty, service, care or understanding about how to deal with people – their customers.

Insurance is quite clearly a racket.

Two claims where death is not a reason for paying out on a claim. How do they live with themselves?

PS You know those hugely amusing ads by Nationwide with the big guy slagging off the dodgy practices of the Banks. Where he takes the piss out of their shareholders. Where he says nothing like that happens at Nationwide because we are moral.

We look after our customers.

We aren’t cheats like the banks.

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Yes, you guessed it.

We bought the insurance from Nationwide. It was a white label product that presumably doesn’t come under Nationwide’s too good to be true image.

PPS. I’ve had a pile of emails about this. Don’t email me your shared grief. Put it on here for the world to see. Blogging is Social marketing. It is power. If they see what we think they might do something about it.

PPPS. Apparently the Insurance Ombudsman is potentially the key. I will let you know how I get on because I am not taking this one lying down.

PPPPS.  If you have even the remotest sympathy with my view please pass forward this link to everyone you know.  this is how social marketing can make a difference by giving us a chance as consumers to have our voice heard.


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Can someone please give us an example of when the insurance paid out. I know of so many examples when it seemed reasonable and the insurance company found a reason not to pay.

Comment by markgorman

Please be careful if you’re booking a flight on the internet. Mondial UK Insurance is the default insurance provider. I booked it for Amy and my mum when they travelled to London. Why, I’m not sure? Like to be covered, like to waste money. Anyway, I double checked the policy there was nothing about age limit, so I emailed them. I got a great response back from Mondial to say the age limit was 64. I was to cancel it and go to the new link. I did, and it was cheaper.
The point is if I hadn’t gone through the saga with the insurance company over the summer, I wouldn’t have checked. If something had happened to my mum, she wouldn’t be covered. Handy that for the insurance company. So be careful.
- Jeana

Comment by markgorman

Sadly Mark, my experience of travel insurance companies only reflects and compounds your own…when I was in a major road traffic accident in Thailand in 1997, everyone was taken to a two-room hospital in Mae Hon Song; the staff at the hospital were utterly overwhelmed by this sudden deluge of causalties and took one look at me – the only non-Thai involved – and said “no farang” (trans: “no foreigners”)…and left me outside the hospital gates, so I was not treated by a doctor immediately following the accident. When I got back to the UK, I tried to claim on my travel insurance (the company concerned has since been taken over by Commercial Union)and they refused to pay me a single penny.

Why? well…because, despite being given an accident report that I had obtained from the Thai police that specified that I had been injured in the accident but that the local hospital had been unable to treat me…despite a report from a doctor I saw in Chiang Mai ten days after the accident…despite a letter written by an Australian witness to the Mae Hon Song hospital’s refusal to treat me…despite a report from a British GP on my injuries…despite a report from a British hospital consultant on my injuries…despite all the evidence provided that legitimised my claim for compensation for personal injury, for loss of possessions, for costs incurred when I had to change my flight home, for loss of future earnings from the job contract (on a tall ship in Australia that I could no longer take up because my injuries – specifically the dislocated hip – rendered my “unfit for sea service” in the eys of Merchant Navy Law)…the insurance company refused to pay out because I did not have a report from a doctor who had treated me within 24 hours of the accident.

Integrity, ethics, morality, decency…none of these words can ever be applied to Insurance Companies – bastards, the whole damn lot of them!

Comment by patricia rodger

That makes my story look feeble. These people are the enemy. We must spread the word.

Comment by markgorman

Andrea says…

There was something on the radio or TV recently about this and the lady “won” when she took her claim through the insurance ombudsman. Read the small print in detail and if you think you have a case then fight it ! They depend on people not fighting.

Our insurance story is also blood boiling. Felicity and Neil lost their passports (with us) in Paris . Our insurance was with Amex. I checked the documentation and on page 3 in big print there is a list of what you needed to do. I made sure I complied, kept all the receipts etc. Back in the UK , rang American Express and asked for a claim form. The first question she asked was “What is your police number?”. “What police number?” I said. Well, I kid you not but on something like P34 in very small print, lost passports fell under claims for money and you have to tell the police and get a number within 24 hours of losing money or your passport.

I’m now staying with Amex because I have read all their fine print and so I hope I wont get caught again.

I’m really sorry about your experience. They are Bast***s.

Andrea

Comment by markgorman

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I didn’t intend my story to make yours pale by comparison – and to me your story is truly horrendous because of the personal emotional situation involved – I intended to compound yours and add fuel to the fire (pyre?)

I only appreciated that I could have contacted the ombudsman some time after the event – too late after to claim; and that was because I was too busy trying to recover from my injuries and find something to do with my life having been rendered unfit for the Merchant Navy (so went to Uni and got myself a First Class Honours Degree and all that)…anyway…think you should do what Andrea says and contact the ombudsman…and write a letter addressed to ‘travel features editor’ and email it to the insurance company and say that it will be sent to every travel editor and finance editor in every print and braodcast media in the UK if they don’t revise their decision within ten days;

screw the bastards

Comment by Patricia Rodger

quite

Comment by markgorman

Mark – this appears to be more about payment protection. However it stinks of the same practices of the cheating Mondial bastards. Certainly the part here that reads: “the Financial Services Authority has begun cracking down on firms who don’t explain the full details of what their policies cover ”

May be worth a look…..

Tonight: Payback Time
ITV1, 8.00pm

Following reports of the questionable selling practices of some payment protection insurance providers, the Financial Services Authority has begun cracking down on firms who don’t explain the full details of what their policies cover before taking their clients’ money. Now thousands of customers could be entitled to a refund. Martin Lewis follows three who have been successfully reimbursed.

Comment by James McLaughlin

“Raymond Williams, the former boss of insurance firm HIH, has been jailed for four-and-a-half years for his part in Australia’s biggest corporate collapse.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4447149.stm

One down… ????? to go!

Lets get the buggers one at a time!

Comment by Philip Lewis

“I FOUGHT THE LLOYDS AND THE LLOYDS LOST” music video hot off the press! Get it to the top of the charts by ordering a 50p download, text bankers to 82822.

Spread the word about this protest song by OYSTAR.

Full article at :
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/site/bank-charges-song

It cheered me up no end!!

Comment by Di Lewis

Thanks for that post about I fought the Lloyds – just to follow up and let people know you can listen to the tune on our http://www.myspace.com/oystar page… thanks to everyone who’s already bought it! (12,000 and counting) – we’ll be in the top 20 when it’s released this monday 7th january! Video features a cameo from Martin Lewis… check it out on youtube by googling youtube oystar bank charges

Comment by Dan

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We took out a house policy with Churchill. On 09.12.07 we had a massive storm which caused lots of damage to our roof. It is now mid April and nothing has been done. In fact there is more damage due to later storms and we have the added problem of rain coming into the attic. Churchill’s strategy is to simply ignore the customer in the hope that he will eventually give up and go away. They ignore e-mails, faxes and if you telephone, they promise to phone back, then don’t. They should replace that silly nodding dog of theirs with a bucket full of worms which would be far more appropriate!

Comment by Phil Hanman

I am currently in a fight over a travel insurance claim….there are certain key things to remember. 1. always and only deal in writing, get a name, fax and email address.
2. Send copies of your complaint immediately to The Financial Services Authority in the UK. 3. If your Insurance Company attempts to use what they call a Loss Adjuster, make sure they are registered and not a Private Detective Agency. It happens! 4. Send all letters Record Delivery. 5. Deal with the top man only and write to all parties involved with the Insurance. Fobbing you off is an industry, if claimants who are mistreated also turn it into an industry, less will be refused. Make sure you ask the Insurance Company to produce a copy of The FSA guidelines and ask them to detail how they have followed it. A fax is very important, it is cheap and easy..send all letters by post and fax…the final step is to look at the website for The Smalls Claims Track….you can fill the form in online and fax it to the Company there and then. Do they really want to go to Court to explain themselves. Those who issue a Court action will move right to the top of the queue!

Comment by Martin

Interesting. I’ve got nowhere on this claim bu won another which you can find in my blog if you are interested.

Good advice though.

Comment by markgorman

My Insurance Company just paid out after about 20 letters to the different top men. Then they struck out most of the claim. The key here is to involve The FSA from day one. An FSA enquiry is very tiring and laborious for an Insurance Firm and they may be disciplined. If the FSA are flooded with complaints they will eventually do something to stop this mistreatment of customers.

Comment by Martin

I have now been told by The Uk Financial Services Authority that they are indeed “looking at” my case in relation to Travel Insurance. If there is any hint that your Insurance Company is not following reasonable standards to settle an issue then you should immediately send a complaint to The FSA. You should also send a copy of this Complaint to the CEO of your Insurance Company. Do not mess about with petty bottle washers go straight to The CEO or Head of “Compliance” in that Firm. They will be very concerned about this and act swiftly as The FSA can withdraw their right to trade. For a major Insurance Company this is a big issue and it will worry them, you will almost certainly find your case moves quickly. Likewise if they try and impose unfair terms or conditions write to The Office of Fair Trading and copy the Insurance Company. It is all about pressure where it hurts. The Ombudsman suits Insurance Firms as it delays matters for up to another 9 months..it doesn’t suit them to have their business threatened. The FSA link is….

http://fsahandbook.info/FSA/html/handbook/ICOBS/8/1

Print it and send it to your Insurance Company..but to the top man for Compliance…you’ll soon get action!

Comment by martin

Thanks Martin

Comment by markgorman

This one is even better read this……

The Directive on Unfair Commercial Practices was
adopted in May 2005.(1) The new rules it details
must be applied across the Member States by
December 2007. But what is “unfair commercial
practice” and why was a directive needed?

Certain commercial practices across Europe are
banned outright under the Directive. To ensure
that traders, marketing professionals and
customers are clear about what is prohibited, a
Black List of unfair practices has been drawn up.
Which types of commercial practices does it
cover?

• Insurance claims: No one picks up the phone
“Requiring a consumer who wishes to claim on an
insurance policy to produce documents which could
not reasonably be considered relevant as to
whether the claim was valid, or failing
systematically to respond to pertinent
correspondence, in order to dissuade a consumer
from exercising his contractual rights

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